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Infidel
10-02-2013, 01:44 AM
With all the talk about scout rifles I thought I would share my idea of what a scout rifle should be.
It would be a fairly short rifle, barrel length of about 16"with a garand style action with a 20 round magazine and chambered in 7.62x54 NATO/ .308. It would have a rail on it for optics.
Sounds like a Ruger mini 30, right? No. Cause Ruger decided they should chamber the mini 30 in that commie 7.62x39. WTH? Well, anyway, that's what I think a scout rifle should be.

The Galician
10-02-2013, 07:41 AM
With all the talk about scout rifles I thought I would share my idea of what a scout rifle should be.
It would be a fairly short rifle, barrel length of about 16"with a garand style action with a 20 round magazine and chambered in 7.62x54 NATO/ .308. It would have a rail on it for optics.
Sounds like a Ruger mini 30, right? No. Cause Ruger decided they should chamber the mini 30 in that commie 7.62x39. WTH? Well, anyway, that's what I think a scout rifle should be.

Greetings,

I am sure you meant 7.62X51... But hell, a 7.62X54 Russian would be extremely bad ass.

S/
K

Tri70
10-02-2013, 09:59 AM
I have heard many people reloading with 308 bullets with good results out of the mini 30.

Infidel
10-03-2013, 12:06 AM
I have heard many people reloading with 308 bullets with good results out of the mini 30.
I would like to see proof on that. Also would like it to run factory. If the world ends I want mine to run common calibers I can easily find.
Oh, and I have a Winchester. Also have a lot of ammo for it. But a Winchester is good to what, 300 yards if you put some nice sights on it? I don't want to screw one up drilling for a scout scope. I like my winchesters kinda close as possible to the cowboy scabbard gun they were meant to be.
Course, if the apocalypse comes, I'll probably be on a horse, so maybe my Winchester is the way to go.

Butters
10-03-2013, 07:49 AM
What are the ballistics difference between a .308 bullet and a .311 bullet?
Being pushed with roughly the same force.

Tri70
10-03-2013, 08:09 AM
What are the ballistics difference between a .308 bullet and a .311 bullet?
Being pushed with roughly the same force.

Most 311 bullets are 123 gr or 147 gr with a narrow selection of offerings, 308 can go 110 gr to 200 gr and more selection and brands.

Butters
10-03-2013, 08:22 AM
Does the .311 hit harder? Offer better long or short range ballistics??

Tri70
10-03-2013, 09:22 AM
They are labeled as 7.62 diameter bullets, 7.62x39 is supposed to .310 diameter and 7.62x51 is supposed to be 308 diameter. Midway list the 311 bullets as 7.7 Japanese round. I would not worry too much about 7.62 diameter in hammer forged factory barrels. The bullets are very comparable in ballistic data with the same manufacture.

Infidel
10-03-2013, 10:35 AM
But what happens if you try to shoot x51 out of a x39 gun?

Butters
10-03-2013, 10:39 AM
I don't think it would even chamber.

The Galician
10-03-2013, 11:06 AM
But what happens if you try to shoot x51 out of a x39 gun?

Greetings,

This is a picture of three .30 cal bullets

http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/tigerloudhousecat/graphics/l/1.jpg

From left to right. 30-06, 7.62X51, and 7.62X39

The 51 and 39 refer to the casing length and will not fit into the others chamber. Maybe I am not understanding you.

S/
K

The Galician
10-03-2013, 11:10 AM
This is a cut-away view of a 7.62X54 barrel chamber.

http://a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/145/e901aa5edd2a450db3590fbf2253a407/l.jpg

See how the round is snug in there? Is this what you are asking about?

S/
K

The Galician
10-03-2013, 11:42 AM
I hope I am not making this over simplistic... I am sorry if I am and it is not addressing your question

This is a cartridge with labels so we can all be talking about the same thing.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YtZtRRO0wlM/T4viRV4gs6I/AAAAAAAACBk/ay9kNG-cFz4/s1600/CartridgeCaseParts_10.jpg

And these are the bullet components

http://www.info4guns.com/graphics/BulletReference_Anatomy_01.png

The .310 and .308 they were referencing above is the diameter of the bullet

Here is an example showing bullet diameter

http://www.shootingillustrated.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/dimensions.jpg

Again, this is all very basic to me and I wasn't sure if this is what you were getting at with your question. At least we will all be on the same terminology.

S/
K

Infidel
10-03-2013, 04:46 PM
Nope. You understood me perfectly brother. And like young Butters said, you can't even chamber the round. And that was the point I was trying to make.

Infidel
10-04-2013, 01:50 AM
7.62 MM refers to the bore dimension between the lands. The American bullet .3 or 3/10 of an inch is 7.81 MM or .308. The Soviets use a .311 as do the Brits and WWII Japan use a 7.90 MM in this bore dimension. Energy retention is determined by the bullets Ballistic "Coefficient".

Unless you are an advanced reloader with math skills and some metallurgical knowledge this is going to be more than you need to know. Just follow a reloading manual.:o
Ya. One of the things I think a scout rifle should not need is special skillz. It should run on ammo you can readily scrounge. Hence why I said mini 30 chambered in.308.
I'm real tired right now. Hope that makes sense.

KingANuthin
10-21-2013, 01:34 PM
Love the mini 30. It's perfect for flat, heavy wooded central Florida. 30cal that's never going to see anything past 200yds.

http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png

Poor_Dog
10-21-2013, 01:54 PM
That's a really, really nice looking mini King

Davy
10-21-2013, 03:22 PM
I got a feeling your gonna fit right in here Guys. 1834

Tri70
10-21-2013, 03:34 PM
Love the mini 30 King! Who do we need to to talk to, to get a mini 14/30/6.8 subforum???:cool:

KingANuthin
10-22-2013, 07:58 AM
Thanks Spartans!

Grumpy Old Man
12-20-2013, 10:27 AM
Love the mini 30. It's perfect for flat, heavy wooded central Florida. 30cal that's never going to see anything past 200yds.

http://i.imgur.com/RKuqwSb.png
Drooooool........

Best,
Grumpy

Grumpy Old Man
12-20-2013, 01:16 PM
With all the talk about scout rifles I thought I would share my idea of what a scout rifle should be.
It would be a fairly short rifle, barrel length of about 16"with a garand style action with a 20 round magazine and chambered in 7.62x54 NATO/ .308. It would have a rail on it for optics.
Sounds like a Ruger mini 30, right? No. Cause Ruger decided they should chamber the mini 30 in that commie 7.62x39. WTH? Well, anyway, that's what I think a scout rifle should be.
Ruger actually tried to build an M14 competitor called the XGI.

Never did get a solid answer on why they dropped it at the time, but I remember waiting back in '85/'86 timeframe with bated breath for it to appear. Even have a catalog buried in an attic in Illinois somewhere listing all the cool old Rugers of that era, including the XGI. Next time I'm up there that ad is one of the things I'm going to go hunting for....

Best,
Grumpy

Marlin 45 carbine
02-24-2014, 02:54 PM
early mini30s had a .308 bore with long throat so to ease the .310 bullets into the rifling. beginning 189 series ruger went to the .310 bore.
I've had good results with some .308 dia slugs. surprised the 147gr fmjbt loaded in .308 win and '06 did well on paper.
the best grouping hunting bullet I've loaded is the speer 150gr fbsp.
off a bench I've easily nailed 6" dia steel discs at 200yds with my M30. have'nt tryed any 300yd shots yet no range around is longer than 200. but feel I could nail 8" discs.